Infinity Does Not Cross Over To Itself

This post is in reply to Tan’s comments, found on the earlier post: “Does Present Awareness experience dreamless sleep?” from 2/25/10. These, too, are great questions, and are repeated here.

Tan: “If we “start” from the Infinite, of course there is no “problem” — What is IS. The “problem”, however, is on the practical level: everything I am sensing, feeling and aware of, starts from the “finite” body/mind. I do not know how to cross over from the finite to the infinite. And I suspect if anyone can. If anyone really could, I wonder how he or she would answer to a simple, verifiable challenge: is he/she aware of what is happening thousands of miles away, at present?”

Peter: Exactly right, Tan. You don’t know how to cross over from the finite to the Infinite—you can’t cross over, in fact no one can, as you said—because there is no such self to do the crossing over. The only One that can be the Infinite is pure Awareness Itself, and It already is fully being It now. Awareness is “taking up” all the Infinite there is for Itself—which leaves no more for another to be. Nor is there another to try to be more Infinite.

As the Real You (Awareness Itself) already is being Infinity, You cannot cross over to what You already are being. The seeming “problem” is that there still may seem to be identification with, or as, thoughts, sensations, emotions, and other so-called finite phenomena, and assuming, “They are mine…I’m not yet aware enough for them to dissolve or fade away…I still have a ways to go.” (This is not meant to imply that Tan is doing this, but is just speaking generally.) Yet is the history-less Present doing any such identifying with thoughts and other finite phenomena? No. Is anything present other than the Present Itself?

On a so-called mind level the foregoing may seem or appear to be true—but this is not speaking, EVER, from a mind level. Yes, it may seem or appear that there still is a lot of “mind” or finity hanging around—but that does not mean one has to speak for, or as it. As Infinite Awareness is the only Self, there actually is no other that is even capable of speaking from a mind basis. What’s more, even though there appears to be finity, that doesn’t make the Infinite one bit less Infinite right here, now. It’s the same as saying that even though there still may seem to be a sense of time (and it’s only a sense), it doesn’t make the Present one bit less present. NOW is still NOW.

Right here, now—what is Pure Aliveness to Its own simple, alive, yet formless Presence? This does not mean thoughts about Aliveness, but pure Aliveness alone, simply “alive-ing.” Is this simple, effortless Presence feeling It has to become more present? Is IT assuming It is not Infinite enough? Is formless alive Presence “seeing” a finite world? Is It concerned about crossing over to more of the Infinite Presence It cannot fail to already, presently be? No—It simply is presently being, and this is “enough.” Enough for whom? For Aliveness Itself, the only One being alive.

Tan’s questions, like Zack’s, have touched on what seems (emphasis on seems) to be a paradox, and why, on the so-called level of thinking, much of what is said here sounds like double talk. This speaking here is done from the standpoint of Infinity alone, pointing to Infinity alone, wherein there is no finity—and yet the very speaking and pointing appear to be going on within a finite framework, by having to use words, thoughts and concepts. As said before, it’s like trying to play the game of the Infinite on a finite field—and the finite definitely has the home field advantage!

True Infinity does not really co-exist with finity (see below)—yet it appears as if It does. True Infinity is not “tolerating” any finity, is not being influenced or limited by such a thing. Yet, equally, Infinity is not assuming there should be less finity appearing. Nor is Infinity trying to get rid of what still may appear as finity. Why? Because to Infinity, there is no finity to get rid of. But this is “clear” only AS ALIVENESS which IS Infinity Itself; it never is clear to a “thinking mind.”

As touched on in the previous post, “No Return From The Infinite,” the questions here also imply there has been a past in which there has been some finite experience—and there really hasn’t been.

It would be one thing to assume there has been finity, a past, and that YOU are finite and must become more infinite. It is quite another thing to be clear that Infinity is presently, fully being this very Self as Awareness—and the only “job” is to stay alert as This and not accept finite suggestions that still may seem to present themselves.

Nothing has to be done to make Infinity more Infinite right here, now. It’s a matter of not ignoring what already is. There’s no effort needed other than to stay alert as This.

What it comes down to, is being relentless in not accepting anything other than Awareness’ pure Present-ness. Awareness Itself is “relentlessly” being pure Present-ness, and who or what else is there? It seems to be a matter of constantly “throughout the day” catching oneself, or being alert to not accept thoughts and sensations that make it seem as if there is a separate self experiencing finity.

One does not deny or negate such thoughts, but simply “notices” that Awareness Itself is infallibly present and aware, and has no past in which It was otherwise. There has been no prior time, ZERO, which has left some residual finite experience which now must be offset or overcome. Finity may continue to appear, but YOU are too “busy” as the ease and effortlessness with which weightless, un-struggling history-less Awareness simply IS.

As for the second part of the question, “If anyone really could (be Infinite only), I wonder how he or she would answer to a simple, verifiable challenge: is he/she aware of what is happening thousands of miles away, at present?”

That question is “mixing” Infinity and finity, and it can’t really be done—even though so-called human education has always told us to the contrary. The question implies that Infinity should know “more” about finity than a normal finite mind seems to know about finity. It implies that Infinity is a kind of “expanded” finity—and It isn’t.

Infinity literally means “no-finity”—so true Infinity then doesn’t know anything at all about “finity” (in fact, Infinity precludes there being any finity!). So… Infinity can’t know a more expanded version of finity than a so-called finite mind seems to know. This is discussed some in chapter 5, Consciousness Is Not The “Human Mind” which is free here on the website in the Writings section. It’s also discussed in much more detail in the e-book, The New, True Infinity, also here on the site.

What this means is that, if one were to seemingly “cross over” to being fully Infinite, or drop all finity, at this point there is no finity to be aware of—not even as illusion—but just 100% Infinity alone. Here there is no time to even notice or have a thought, “Ah, now I am being fully Infinite.” Here, there is no recollection of there having been a cross over—because here there is no sense of a past—only Infinite Present-ness.

That being said, as one “abides as” the Infinity that Awareness is, it may seem or appear as if there is an expanded awareness of various types of finite experience. But it’s not because one has become more infinite. It’s because the Only One is 100% already being Infinite, and it just seems there is less “ignoring” of Infinity, thus less clinging to all the would-be limitations of finity. And yet, even this so-called explanation must be followed with, “Can Infinity, Awareness Itself, ever actually ignore Itself for finity?” No.

No Return From The Infinite

Hi everyone—it’s good to finally be back in action here on Reality Check.

Zack has posed some great questions, which are repeated here:

Zack: If I am “eventually successful” in “fully abiding as Consciousness”, where I won’t experience anything finite whatsoever, what would happen if I were to seemingly ignore Consciousness “again”? Would the dream “continue where it left off”? Or would a completely new dream appear?

Peter: Notice Zack’s use of quote marks, because they are indicating that, from the standpoint of Self, this is referring to things that cannot really happen, but may “seem” to. Also, this is a hypothetical question, meaning “what if”—and it’s a huge “if.”

The key is that, from the standpoint of pure Consciousness, pure IS, there is no possibility of “if.”

Reality Check: To the pure Infinity that Consciousness Itself is, there is only Its utter unchanging Reality, with no possibility of deviation or change. There is only Actual Infinity, not a conceptual Infinity derived from thinking. Infinity does not co-exist with states other than Itself to which Its attention could wander off. There is nothing besides Infinity that Infinity could ignore Itself for.

Infinity, being infinite, precludes there being any finity (this is clear only when “starting” as Infinity Itself, which is what pure Consciousness here, now is being). Thus Infinity never has left a finite state, to which It might at some point return. It isn’t the case that there is also finity, and Infinity isn’t wandering off to it—there is ONLY Infinity and no finity ever has occurred. So…this really is not possible even as a hypothetical because to Infinite Self, finity isn’t existent anywhere to wander off to.

From CIA p. 178:

Here, no time passes in which any finite experience could occur, thus there is no memory of such a thing. There are no worries of, “What about my former world?” because to this Infinite Being, there is no former world. There is no desire or impulse to leave, because there is no sense of a prior state at all; one can’t return to what never was. This Infinite can’t leave Itself; there is no place besides Itself to leave for.

Notice also that the very questions still subtly imply that there has been a progression in time. They subtly imply there has been a past in which dream was experienced and which might be reverted to in a “future” when Consciousness might be ignored “again.”

As said above, the questions imply something that is not really true or possible—thus cannot be answered on the terms in which they were asked.

These questions also are a good “heads up” as to the difference between merely thinking about Consciousness, the Infinite, and consciously being It, as pure Now-Aliveness. (This is not meant to imply that “Zack” is doing this kind of thinking because “he” asked these very good questions; this is just said as a general statement). As long as there is thinking (even if seemingly more “advanced” thinking from the standpoint of timeless Consciousness such as this is), that thinking will come up with endless new possible scenarios and speculations.

Yet the Fact remains that Infinite Consciousness Itself is timeless, event-less, scenario-less, possibility-less. Infinity does not think. And Consciousness actually leaves no lesser Self to be thinking about all the “what ifs” that might happen “if” Consciousness were not changelessly, timelessly All. But It is.

I don’t know how many here had a chance to look in on the Open Awareness Study Group last March, but the main “theme” of the month was the fact that Awareness, All, is history-less. (You can still view the posts, but have to join the group to do so: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OAStudyGroup/). The point that kept coming up (and which has been emphasized heavily here) is that this very Present Awareness aware here, now, is absolutely history-less. All so-called “prior times” would consist only of mere thought seemingly arising in the current moment for the first time ever.

What this means is that even the notion that there was a past in which a “me” has achieved some success in fully abiding as Consciousness—is just a current thought. The notion that this “me” can be more successful in a future, and will eventually “not experience any finity whatsoever”—all of this, too, is just a current thought. The notion that there has been even a microsecond of prior dream experience, to which this “me” might revert by ignoring Consciousness again—this too, would be just a current thought.

Also, to wonder if the dream would “continue where it left off” implies there has been prior dreaming—and to history-less Now-Awareness, there really hasn’t been!

To wonder if a new dream would appear also implies there was an old dream—but there wasn’t! So there really is nothing to say that a prior dream pattern has appeared, and that it will keep appearing in that way.

Awareness never unwittingly accepts a thought that may try to say, “Well, this dream has been going on and on—yet there is no past, so why does it continue to appear in the same old way?” To accept that type of thought would be to instantly deny true pure Present-ness as Awareness–and Awareness aware here, now simply cannot do that. Pure Awareness Itself has no expectation that a change should occur because It has not experienced any prior state that should be changed. Not even Awareness Itself has been before this NOW that is NOW.

When taking the stance as pure Consciousness, pure Presence, there are no such thoughts arising. Now for the double talk…to the extent one is being pure Consciousness (and this Present Self is 100% being It!) it seems as if there is less functioning on the level of thought…there is less “resonation” with, or as, thought. And this may appear or seem to change the very nature of thoughts themselves if they continue to arise.

What seems to happen is that many “old” thoughts have been “seen through” as totally invalid, untrue assumptions from the standpoint of Present Awareness–so such thoughts are no longer entertained unwittingly. This seems to make room for new “higher” types of thoughts, such as those posed in Zack’s questions—but they’re still thought, still imply time, still imply there is not ONE unchanging Now-Presence.

This is still a matter of flitting between pure Being and thought. Don’t misunderstand—there is nothing “wrong” with this—and thought still seems to be an essential part of daily experience. As long as one appears to have a body that moves about in the world, thought will seem to occur. The point is that Awareness is not fooled into assuming there have been any prior thoughts or any prior experience (or future experience either, for that matter!) On the level of thought, all there ever is, is this one seeming current thought.

Far more important is the clarity (which is Awareness’ clarity) that all that is truly present is Awareness alone, and all It “experiences” is history-less Presentness. Awareness is not thinking this, but is being It, alive as It, as this NOW that unfailingly is consciously present NOW.

Zack also asked, “…Is it possible that as part of the “lifting of limitations” that happens as there is less and less ignoring of Awareness, that I could appear to have control of the dream?”

Hard to say about that one—it seems likely, but that’s just speculation. The main point is that pure Awareness, Infinity Itself (THIS ONE aware here, now), is not hoping to gain control over a dream, and has no expectations or speculations about a dream—because It doesn’t co-exist with a dream.

Yet, right now, you can see the idea Mickey Mouse in thought—and all there is to Mickey is just that—thought. There’s nothing weighty, material or physical there. You can see Mickey floating up on the ceiling if you wish, or standing sideways on the wall—because all there is to Mickey is thought.
Well, what seems to be the “body” as it now appears to be sitting in front of this computer actually has no more materiality or weight to it than Mickey.

It’s only an assumption, or belief, that says “body” is heavier and more dense or material. All there would be to it is a false sense of weight—for there is no separate object there to be weighty or material in and of itself. But who is entertaining that assumption? Is it Awareness? No. Is there another? No. So, as Zack says, there is no reason why, as there is “continued” abidance as weightless Awareness-which-is-all, that even this weighty sense of “body” will seem to fade—for there is no weight to Pure NOW, and NOW is absolutely all that is present, eternally.

This drives home the point as to how much we still seem to merely think about the Allness of Awareness, or pay lip service, instead of actually fully being IT.

That being said, if there is a “goal” of getting a dream to be less weighty, one will only seem to be stuck with more of that weighty dream—because Awareness Itself, THIS Awareness, being dream-less, has no such goal. It is 100% “interested in” only Its history-less weightlessness.

Just stop and ask (and be brutally blunt and honest), “Is there any thought, hope, or expectation right here that Awareness should be improving or uplifting something?” Such thoughts or expectations might even seem “justified” in light of the fact that there really is only Awareness! But if there are such thoughts, know that those are not YOUR thoughts or expectations as Awareness–they are just more thoughts.

Does pure Awareness-Itself-As-All have any such thought or expectation? To this Awareness, has there been a past in which something besides pure Awareness occurred, a weighty material state that must now be let go of, or risen out of, or thrown off? No. Is there another being aware? No. And this is where One effortlessly “stands” no matter how often such thoughts may arise or try to gain acceptance.

It sounds funny, or paradoxical, but from the seeming (emphasis on seeming) finite or apparent side of the fence, it seems there are two states, two sides. It seems there are both the apparent and un-appearing Awareness. From the so-called apparent or finite (dualistic) side, it seems there are both time and Timelessness; both the finite and the Infinite—and that it’s possible to go back and forth between the two.

Yet starting from the “Infinite view” (which is what Awareness is doing or being) there is only un-appearing Infinity. There are not two states, two sides, and there is no fence. There is nothing besides Infinity to go back and forth to. To the Timeless, there is no time in which attention could wander to and from Itself.

All there is to “do” is to “effortlessly persist” as unchanging Present Awareness. Nothing need be done to make Awareness be present, be history-less. It’s just a matter of not accepting would-be thoughts that something besides history-less Awareness IS. The entire “job” of being this pure Awareness is up to Awareness Itself, and It cannot fail to be Itself, THIS Self.

La Jolla Talks May 22-23

There will be a two-day talk/dialogue in La Jolla, CA the weekend of May 22-23.

Times are 10 am – 3 pm on both Sat. & Sun. Cost is $75 for both days, $50 for either single day. Includes lunch and mp3 or CD recording.

Space is limited, so an RSVP is necessary. For more info, please use the contact form here on the website. It would be great to see you there!

Apologies for the delay in posting on the blog–the finishing touches are being made on the CD version of the audiobook, Consciousness Is All Plus, as well as getting caught up after all the OASG activity in March. There should be some new posts here starting in the next few days.

Thanks,
Peter