Infinity Does Not Cross Over To Itself

This post is in reply to Tan’s comments, found on the earlier post: “Does Present Awareness experience dreamless sleep?” from 2/25/10. These, too, are great questions, and are repeated here.

Tan: “If we “start” from the Infinite, of course there is no “problem” — What is IS. The “problem”, however, is on the practical level: everything I am sensing, feeling and aware of, starts from the “finite” body/mind. I do not know how to cross over from the finite to the infinite. And I suspect if anyone can. If anyone really could, I wonder how he or she would answer to a simple, verifiable challenge: is he/she aware of what is happening thousands of miles away, at present?”

Peter: Exactly right, Tan. You don’t know how to cross over from the finite to the Infinite—you can’t cross over, in fact no one can, as you said—because there is no such self to do the crossing over. The only One that can be the Infinite is pure Awareness Itself, and It already is fully being It now. Awareness is “taking up” all the Infinite there is for Itself—which leaves no more for another to be. Nor is there another to try to be more Infinite.

As the Real You (Awareness Itself) already is being Infinity, You cannot cross over to what You already are being. The seeming “problem” is that there still may seem to be identification with, or as, thoughts, sensations, emotions, and other so-called finite phenomena, and assuming, “They are mine…I’m not yet aware enough for them to dissolve or fade away…I still have a ways to go.” (This is not meant to imply that Tan is doing this, but is just speaking generally.) Yet is the history-less Present doing any such identifying with thoughts and other finite phenomena? No. Is anything present other than the Present Itself?

On a so-called mind level the foregoing may seem or appear to be true—but this is not speaking, EVER, from a mind level. Yes, it may seem or appear that there still is a lot of “mind” or finity hanging around—but that does not mean one has to speak for, or as it. As Infinite Awareness is the only Self, there actually is no other that is even capable of speaking from a mind basis. What’s more, even though there appears to be finity, that doesn’t make the Infinite one bit less Infinite right here, now. It’s the same as saying that even though there still may seem to be a sense of time (and it’s only a sense), it doesn’t make the Present one bit less present. NOW is still NOW.

Right here, now—what is Pure Aliveness to Its own simple, alive, yet formless Presence? This does not mean thoughts about Aliveness, but pure Aliveness alone, simply “alive-ing.” Is this simple, effortless Presence feeling It has to become more present? Is IT assuming It is not Infinite enough? Is formless alive Presence “seeing” a finite world? Is It concerned about crossing over to more of the Infinite Presence It cannot fail to already, presently be? No—It simply is presently being, and this is “enough.” Enough for whom? For Aliveness Itself, the only One being alive.

Tan’s questions, like Zack’s, have touched on what seems (emphasis on seems) to be a paradox, and why, on the so-called level of thinking, much of what is said here sounds like double talk. This speaking here is done from the standpoint of Infinity alone, pointing to Infinity alone, wherein there is no finity—and yet the very speaking and pointing appear to be going on within a finite framework, by having to use words, thoughts and concepts. As said before, it’s like trying to play the game of the Infinite on a finite field—and the finite definitely has the home field advantage!

True Infinity does not really co-exist with finity (see below)—yet it appears as if It does. True Infinity is not “tolerating” any finity, is not being influenced or limited by such a thing. Yet, equally, Infinity is not assuming there should be less finity appearing. Nor is Infinity trying to get rid of what still may appear as finity. Why? Because to Infinity, there is no finity to get rid of. But this is “clear” only AS ALIVENESS which IS Infinity Itself; it never is clear to a “thinking mind.”

As touched on in the previous post, “No Return From The Infinite,” the questions here also imply there has been a past in which there has been some finite experience—and there really hasn’t been.

It would be one thing to assume there has been finity, a past, and that YOU are finite and must become more infinite. It is quite another thing to be clear that Infinity is presently, fully being this very Self as Awareness—and the only “job” is to stay alert as This and not accept finite suggestions that still may seem to present themselves.

Nothing has to be done to make Infinity more Infinite right here, now. It’s a matter of not ignoring what already is. There’s no effort needed other than to stay alert as This.

What it comes down to, is being relentless in not accepting anything other than Awareness’ pure Present-ness. Awareness Itself is “relentlessly” being pure Present-ness, and who or what else is there? It seems to be a matter of constantly “throughout the day” catching oneself, or being alert to not accept thoughts and sensations that make it seem as if there is a separate self experiencing finity.

One does not deny or negate such thoughts, but simply “notices” that Awareness Itself is infallibly present and aware, and has no past in which It was otherwise. There has been no prior time, ZERO, which has left some residual finite experience which now must be offset or overcome. Finity may continue to appear, but YOU are too “busy” as the ease and effortlessness with which weightless, un-struggling history-less Awareness simply IS.

As for the second part of the question, “If anyone really could (be Infinite only), I wonder how he or she would answer to a simple, verifiable challenge: is he/she aware of what is happening thousands of miles away, at present?”

That question is “mixing” Infinity and finity, and it can’t really be done—even though so-called human education has always told us to the contrary. The question implies that Infinity should know “more” about finity than a normal finite mind seems to know about finity. It implies that Infinity is a kind of “expanded” finity—and It isn’t.

Infinity literally means “no-finity”—so true Infinity then doesn’t know anything at all about “finity” (in fact, Infinity precludes there being any finity!). So… Infinity can’t know a more expanded version of finity than a so-called finite mind seems to know. This is discussed some in chapter 5, Consciousness Is Not The “Human Mind” which is free here on the website in the Writings section. It’s also discussed in much more detail in the e-book, The New, True Infinity, also here on the site.

What this means is that, if one were to seemingly “cross over” to being fully Infinite, or drop all finity, at this point there is no finity to be aware of—not even as illusion—but just 100% Infinity alone. Here there is no time to even notice or have a thought, “Ah, now I am being fully Infinite.” Here, there is no recollection of there having been a cross over—because here there is no sense of a past—only Infinite Present-ness.

That being said, as one “abides as” the Infinity that Awareness is, it may seem or appear as if there is an expanded awareness of various types of finite experience. But it’s not because one has become more infinite. It’s because the Only One is 100% already being Infinite, and it just seems there is less “ignoring” of Infinity, thus less clinging to all the would-be limitations of finity. And yet, even this so-called explanation must be followed with, “Can Infinity, Awareness Itself, ever actually ignore Itself for finity?” No.

18 thoughts on “Infinity Does Not Cross Over To Itself

  1. Hey Peter,

    Once again much appreciation abounds as the relentless Essence of Being seems to write out loud; seemingly melting away assumptions and opinions that were never there to begin with. Oh how wonderful It Is To Be Here for This!

    Praising Changeless Perfection,

  2. How would you likely reword the following…
    All there is is Consciousness (God). If i (if i existed) ignore this fact that all there is is God dreams seems to arise. But dream, in Truth, can’t be because that takes time-something not present in God, in what I AM. But, in Truth, i am not, i don’t exist, so no one is present to ignore the fact that all there is is God and have a dream.

  3. In Infinite Awareness can there be said to be “aspects” to God? Is God “Love” and “Joy” and infinite aspects, all varied aspects of the Divine?

  4. Though it doesn’t exist wouldn’t it be “better” if this dream was heavenly vs. hellish? Then again, what do i know. Judge not we are told. What a trip…i don’t exist to have a “better” dream and no one is here to judge.

  5. Thanks for your comments Paul. The first one (posted at 6:52) hit the nail on the head. There is no attempt to account for dream, an ignoring of Awareness/God, or any kind of “otherness”–for there is ONLY Awareness Itself. One has to “stop right here” because Awareness isn’t going any further, isn’t thinking about possibilities other than Itself–and there is no other being aware to do so either.

  6. Second comment (posted 7:07): Any “saying” of aspects or differentiation would be a product of human thinking, a “looking in” on Infinite Awareness by another. Awareness Itself, being timeless, has no time to observe or comment on Itself; nor does It think or talk.

    However, while we still appear to use words and thoughts “at the moment,” it appears helpful sometimes to talk of aspects. They come as close as possible with words to “point” to THAT which acutally is Aspectless (and to even say that much is an “aspect”!).

  7. Hi Peter, I would care to comment on these, but I seem to be speechless… wow! such good stuff! I am thoroughly enjoying the audio book CIA Plus and when I can “think” of how I want to put into words what I want to contribute, I will post it. Right now it seems as if my head is spinning.. thanx all for the great input.. Joyann

  8. With the “staying busy” as Infinite Awareness might there ultimately come an alignment, an ending of the ignorance? Infinite Presence, All that Is, has, it is said by some, “come down” lowered Himself, “forgotten.” Consciousness has begun to ignore. But as I stay busy and succeeding generations stay busier, can we anticipate and end of ignorance and the manifestation of the Full Expression? As I read this I know the response will be “Infinite Presence is unchanging so could not “come down or forget” I guess I prefer to ignore and that seemingly without end. 🙂

  9. Won’t the finite realm continue forever? Why would it ever end? We have no free will, to choose to ignore or not ignore Consciousness.

  10. What do you mean by expanded finite experience? Will we experience higher and higher spiritual realms?

  11. Hi Daniel,
    The answer to those questions seems to depend on “which side of the fence” one stands on–the seeming finite, or the Infinite. In Truth, there really are not two sides and no fence.

    Even though those are, in one sense, great questions–from the standpoint of the Infinite, they would be “invalid” questions–meaning there is no lesser finite mind to even ask them. In Infinity, finity never occurs, so cannot continue forever. It never began, so it can’t be said to never end.

    From the standpoint of the Infinite, Consciousness, there is no “we.” Right, there is no free will, and Consciousness cannot chose to either ignore or not ignore Itself, for there is no choice. Consciousness IS Itself.

  12. Hi Elizabeth,

    First of all, the Truth from the standpoint of the Infinite Itself–there is ONLY the Infinite Itself and It does not consist of, nor co-exist with, states, degrees, levels, differentiations. There is no such thing as high and low.

    Speaking on a so-called relative basis, to the “degree” one is abiding as Infinite Presence, one cannot simultaneously be functioning as finity–and thus will seem to experience less and less finity. Said another way, it may appear as an experience of “higher realms” because there no longer is the clinging to, or “resonation with” what goes with the heavier lower realms of finity.

  13. Very clear and elegant. Your expression obviously comes out of direct actual experience rather than “hearsay”. Potent and real. Great thanks for being what You and all) ARE. With Love!

  14. Hi, Peter. What would the higher realms be experienced as? Would they appear as an ethereal “heaven”? I am aware that this is all speculation, but I appreciate your views on this. The ignore-ant finite mind continues its incessant ruminating… 🙂

  15. Hi Elizabeth,

    Thanks for your comment, and sorry for the delay…I’ve been away for the talks in La Jolla.

    Good question. As you say, at best it would be speculation to speak only intellectually about what “higher realms” might be like. However, it’s possible to have experiential “glimpses” right here and now, thanks to abiding as Awareness.

    Pure Awareness-As-All, which has nothing outside or apart from Itself, is not material, not dense matter. And it’s only a “mental assumption” that there is such a realm in addition to Awareness. It seems that “to the degree” there is an abiding as im-material Awareness, the seeming assumed state of materiality and density seems to fade (for its only “seeming” presence is due to an “ignoring” of Awareness).

    It’s similar to how water (materiality) appears to turn into steam (ethereality). What seemed to be one type or form of phenomena seems to change its form to something that is less weighty and dense. For example, some psychics or energy healers/chakra workers appear to see auras, or sense energy fields, which often seem more real than what appear as physical bodies. All of this is discussed a bit in the book in chapter 18, The Spectrum of What Isn’t.

    The thing to not lose sight of, is that even this is finite and limited, changing in time, and is not Pure Awareness simply being. It still is not the Unlimitedness that Awareness IS. Awareness Itself has no goal of becoming more ethereal or experiencing such realms. If there is such a goal or expectation, it still means one is giving value to the level of “mind” or phenomena, and to that extent will seem to be limited by it.

    Yet by abiding as Awareness and having this as the “sole interest,” it seems as if the material weighty world very slowly and gradually loses its sense of weightiness and solidity–because in Pure Awareness there is no such thing–only Pure Awareness.

  16. Hello, Peter. Thank you for answering my earlier questions. I have some new questions.

    There is no limit to what Consciousness can seem to be aware of. This means that as Consciousness, I could seem to be aware of things that the human mind cannot even begin to comprehend.

    Instead of adding too much text, here is a link that gives one example of what I mean:

    It seems the “goal” is to be 100% Absolute without any trace of anything finite, correct? But, won’t I be missing out on incredible experiences? Even if the experiences are finite, they can be astounding and wonderful.

    As humans we are in the tiny, stuffy, warm grey box. Consciousness is capable of experiencing anything, and it seems like a waste to not explore and create and express. Appearing as a human is but one of infinite possiblities.

    I don’t disagree that Consciousness is All and that nothing finite really exists. This has just been nagging at me lately.

  17. Hi Zack,
    Thanks for your comments and great questions. Please see the new post for the reply.

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